Large 18th century famille rose bowl

[Stan]

Hi Peter and all, here is a large Famille rose bowl that I believe to be 18th century, the width is 40.89 cm and it is 12.7 cm tall, it has a mark scratched in the porcelain China, I think that is when it was exported some where between 1880s and 1920 that is when they would have scratched the name China for export, but I think it is much earlier because of the bottom, the bottom is an 18th century bottom and I think everything else looks good for that period but I am not a 100% sure, I will post 17 pictures for your viewing, thank.

[Stan]

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[Stan]

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[Stan]

Here is the last set of photo's to view, thanks.

[peterp]

To me this looks like a wash basin. The decoration is typical for Gangxu. This is not export porcelain, despite the scratched "China".

[Stan]

Hi Peter, what makes you think Guangxu period.

[Stan]

Hi Peter, sorry, you already gave your reason, the typical decoration for Guangxu, I have a hard time with the Famille patterns and the age they relate to, I suppose the more I collect the more I learn and thanks for letting me know what it was used for, I tried finding something similar on christies under wash basin and nothing came up.

[Stan]

Peter, is that a typical bottom on a bowl for that period, it looks like 18th century plates, it is done the same way, that is why I thought it was 18th century.

[kardinalisimo]

Stan, I think Peter said before the general rules for the bottoms of the  plates are just for the plates. I guess different rules applies for the different type of vessels. Plus, remember we discussed few times about newer decoration on old bodies.

[Stan]

Hi kardinalisimo, is that what you think that this is an older basin with guangxu decoration, it could be but I do not think so, it looks to me with a hands on inspection that  all the decoration and age signs are from one firing, but I am still learning about these types of decorations, so you could be right.

[Stan]

You will have to forgive me Peter and Kardinalisimo if I keep asking the same questions, eventually it will get through this thick head, but this bottom looks a little older than Guangxu, maybe your right kardinalisimo, maybe it is later decoration on older basin.

[kardinalisimo]

Stan, are you saying the type of the bottom and the foot rim are common for Early Qing or just the base shows age that you think is older than Guangxu. Older how?
The question is if this type of decoration motif ever existed during Early Qing.
By the way, is not the base similar to the one on the basin I posted about a week ago?

[Stan]

I will look at the one you posted, and yes on the bottom of mine the age signs look older and so dose the foot rim, am I wrong?

[Stan]

Your right Kardinlalisimo, yours is very similar, so is that what mine is Fencai?

[kardinalisimo]

Well,
Fencai is what the Chinese call the overgrazed enamels decoration.
Here is a good read:
http://koh-antique.com/history/falang.htm
Then, you know, you have doucai, wucai etc.
Also, the new fencai, qianjiang
http://koh-antique.com/qj/qjmain.html

The 'famille' terms are  more westernized. Famille rose would be fencai with predominant rose color. But people seems to use that term on whatever.