Coffee Cup

[kardinalisimo]

I am thinking post Republic but don't know if very recent or has some age?
Thanks

[shelley Kong]

I have a charger bought at the beginning of my hobby about 2 years ago that has a similar rooster design. Peter said this series has been made over many years. However, I notice the quality of the painting differs though.

[Stan]

I have a book called " Chinese Export Porcelain in North America "  and there are 2 examples given, both are 18th century, there is one that looks very similar to your cup, its a plate dated 1750 with over glazed gold-red and enamels, first class export, the chickens look identical to yours.

[kardinalisimo]

I do believe the design can date back to 18th century but nothing stops the Chinese from recreating it, even nowadays.
The 'made china' mark would mean at least few decades after 1900's right?  Are there cases where 18th/19th century pieces were mark that way during 20th century for export purposes?
Then,I would expect more staight foot rim for being an older piece.
How about the black outlines?  I feel that there is too much outlining to be Qing period.

[Stan]

Hi Kardinalisimo, you are right on all points the made in China is a dead giveaway and the 18th century ones are drawn more delicately, the feathers would be more pronounced.

[kardinalisimo]

So, to me it is more like could it be late Republic or much newer?

[shelley Kong]

Stan,
Could you show us a photo of the plate with roosters?

[Stan]

Hi Shelly, I put it on Photbucket.com, I hope I did this right this is the address http://s1309.photobucket.com/us1_zps333e8704.jpg  please let me know if you can view it, thanks.

[Stan]

Sorry, I just tried it and it dose not work, I will try later and see where you find the correct address to post.

[peterp]

>Then,I would expect more staight foot rim for being an older piece.

You got the age right, and the foot rim is the main problem.
This type of base could even mean it was made in a mold.

>black outlines? 
Basically, you are right with this too, but with this cup it also has to do with quality. By way of explanation I must state that very black outlines mean generally 20th century, but there are a few cases where they appear in the late Qing dynasty too, but usually with thinner lines. But these are more exceptions than the rule.

[Stan]

Hi Shelly, here is the photo, you asked for this is 1750 Chinese export, I took the picture with my camera.

[kardinalisimo]

Thanks Peter. So, if 20th century, it would be post republic or can't tell for sure?
Speaking about black outlines, Stan, I can't see good from the picture. What is the situation with that there?

And then, Peter, you are talking about 'very' black outlines. So, light outlining is still seen on early Qing, right? I think it is common for the leaves but not for flower petals. Not sure about the branches. With people clothing i've seen some figures outlined, some not on the same piece, or most of the clothes not outlined but some parts with light contours.

[Stan]

Hi Kardinalisimo, This is about as good a picture I can take,

[shelley Kong]

Stan,
The plate in the photo looks much older than what I and Kardinalisimo have. If you Google "Chinese porcelain plate with roosters", you'll find many, the price ranging from 50 to 1000 dollars.In Gotheborg's forum, a Mr Kung identifies an almost identical plate as being made by his Wah Lee Company in Hong Kong in the 60s.

[Stan]

Hi Shelly the plate in the photo is c1750, I was showing it because I think this is the earliest decoration that I could find, this is where this type of decoration with chickens started I believe.