Underglazed Red porcelain jar

dark379 · Mar 13, 2015, 21:06:54

Hi Mr. Peter may i ask some help for this underglazed red porcelain jar, if it is real or not? and i think this might be Qing dynasty era??

Thank you

dark379 · Mar 13, 2015, 21:11:14

here are some other details

Stan · Mar 14, 2015, 06:01:48

This looks like it could be Raku Japanese.

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 08:10:22

Hi again Mr. Stan thank you for the reply, so if this is a Raku Japanese, this might be 16 to 17th century?

by the way sizes are dia 15 inches x 10 inches H

Thank you

peterp · Mar 14, 2015, 08:42:05

I don't think Stan. I believe raku was originally a rustic style decoration.
This is underglaze red, with a Yuan dynasty decoration. Basically, I think there are only two possibilities: a genuine late Yuan/early Ming item, or a modern fake.
I have some reservations, however, regarding authenticity. A hands-on inspection would be required. The picture showing the outside has nothing visible hinting to the body being made in two parts, as it should be. A closeup inspection would be required to determine if the bottom was produced separately or not. Nothing is visible here indicating that it was. Why is the bottom this blackish color? If it is a shipwreck item, it should be whitish, if it was excavated, it would also not be of this color, normally.
If you have an opportunity, I would ask someone at a museum or another specialist for a hands-on inspection.

Stan · Mar 14, 2015, 08:52:27

Rake pottery is made with earthenware and not porcelain, is this porcelain or earthenware, if it is porcelain it would have a high ring tone to it when you click it with you finger, earthenware would have a dull sound, it looks like a drip glaze to me that is why I thought raku.

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 09:10:21

Hi again Mr. Stan, yes it is a porcelain, i click it it has a high ringtone

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 09:13:15

I also don't know if this is an error/ reject work of underglazed red porcelain..... because the other half is ok and the other half is damage.

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 09:23:18

Hi again Mr. Peter, i check the jar now and i saw some cutting parts or terminations of the jar

here are some photos, 1st is in the bottom part, and the 2nd and 3rd is in the middle of the jar

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 09:30:09

the color of the bottom is mix of dark brown and brown

here are some natural sunlight photo

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 09:33:51

and the weight is 5.5 to 6 kg
dia 15 inches
H 10 inches

Stan · Mar 14, 2015, 10:05:40

I don't think I have ever seen a glaze like this on Chinese porcelain, but I think Peters advise on a hands on inspection is the best for authenticating.

peterp · Mar 14, 2015, 21:37:59

> i saw some cutting parts or terminations of the jar

None is visible on the outside. With pre-Qing items the seam would show frequently on the outside, at least with minyao items.
Sometimes it is difficult to tell for sure from pictures alone...

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 21:53:38

Thank you Sir Peter for the reply, so this might be 50-50 chance whether it is real or fake....

ill try to find some seam outside, but i think it will be hard to see it because of the thick glazing

Im having a hard time also to find a expert consult here about porcelain, and mostly in our museum are not know to porcelains.... so it's hard to consult it.

Thank you also Mr. Stan for the reply

dark379 · Mar 14, 2015, 22:18:41

I have check the jar again but i cant see any seams outside ... only at the bottom part

where there is no glaze on it