Republic bowl

calder · Sep 15, 2014, 01:23:43

Hi this bowl would seem to be Republic period but what does the poem refer to?
Thoughts?

calder · Sep 15, 2014, 01:25:11

More pics.

Stan · Sep 15, 2014, 09:43:19

The decoration looks modern to me, not traditional.

shelley Kong · Sep 15, 2014, 15:39:31

They look like copies

calder · Sep 17, 2014, 07:32:32

Thank you Shelly & Stan for your time.
Does the writing tell us anything? artist? Date?
Thank you again.

Stan · Sep 17, 2014, 08:37:40

Shelly or Peter can answer that one, my Chinese is limited to my books on marks sorry Calder.

peterp · Sep 17, 2014, 10:01:50

The mark is a Yongzheng mark. The writing is just poetry. The only that could hint to the artist are the seals, but I would not think this is reliable either. Seals are easily faked.
Take it as a modern, good quality imitation!

calder · Sep 17, 2014, 23:07:24

Thank you Peter & Stan.

calder · Sep 20, 2014, 16:40:42

Hi obviously the bowl is new;but if people are interested-the decoration is in a collective term called falangcai.
Sight below if interested in other items under the same banner.

http://www.npm.gov.tw/exh101/yongzheng/en/ch02.html

Stan · Sep 20, 2014, 16:47:12

Looks like a good site Calder.

peterp · Sep 20, 2014, 18:15:02

While not excluding the possibility entirely, you cannot conclude from the look alone that something is falangcai. The only way you could be fairly sure is if it was imperial ware. Because in the Qing dynasty this type of decoration would have been made within the palace workshop only.
Any later object could use another decoration method. That would be especially likely because the original falangcai decorating method seems to have been complicated,. If it is more recent, it is possible that a simpler decoration method was used to obtain a similar decoration effect. Newer techniques may make that possible.

BTW, I would not dare to tell from pictures of an item alone whether it is really falangcai; that would need a hands-on inspection, and even with that it may be difficult, as relatively few such items were made.

Stan · Sep 21, 2014, 01:44:08

I agree with Peter, even in books you can't rely solely on their information, I was reading one of my books on Japanese antique porcelain and came across something that I new was not true, from an older book, even on prices they are not always right, I have been collecting curtain oil paintings by a well known artist that is still living in California, years ago one of his paintings came up for auction here in Oregon, I bought it for $130.00 no one here knew who he is and that same painting still shows up that is sold for $130.00 his paintings sell in the thousands, go figure.