Plate identification

[peterp]

A long time ago I posted a plate that I never was sure about...not sure from where it was.
This concerns this item:
globa.net/gallery/index.php?/category/31

Originally, I thought this was Chinese, mainly because of the YinYang symbol on the rim. But recently I saw a similar item with slightly different colors. This was the only one I ever found, that resembles this plate. It was said to be Kakiemon. Unfortunately, I cannot find it anymore. The painting style of this one appears to hint at an age that might be a bit older than most Kakiemon wares I can find on the web....

[Adriano]

Hi Peter,
Searching with "Google Images" I found two references, same decoration and colors.
These references are not "institutional", but both refer to a Chinese plate.
In my personal view it could be a "Famille Verte" revival of the late Qing period, in particular for the presence of this sort of aubergine-gray tone.

[peterp]

Hi Adriano,

Many thanks for taking the pain to search for the plate. Do you have the web address?
I do not deny the possibility that it could be Chinese. The main reason I began thinking is the different plate shape compared to Chinese plates. Chinese plates have very distinct shapes, but this plate has a shape that resembles neither Chinese style Chinese plates nor the shape of Chinese export plates. Can you tell me what keyword(s) resulted in the plate you mentioned, please?
I began suspecting it to be Kakiemon only after I found that many more recent Kakiemon wares on the Japanese internet show similar red flower designs in red. It is somewhat strange that it is difficult to find such older plates on the internet. Judging by the look of the painting style and its shape one might think it would perhaps be in some collection that is accessible on the web; however, what I can find are mostly newer Kakiemon items that are for sale. I could nothing similar among Chinese wares, although the rim pattern basically resembles Zhangzhou wares, which also appears on later Japanese wares.
I'm open to either a Chinese or Japanese origin. It is just because I cannot find it anymore, and the shape is a bit off the normal Chinese plate shape.

[peterp]

It may not be clearly visible in the pictures, due to the angle at which the bottom was photographed, but the shape differs in the following.
Chinese style plates of that period normally have a wide flat bottom, which is rounded upwards at the edge. Export plates on the other hand have a bowl-like interior, with a flat rim. The connection between the two results in a relatively sharp line where the two (bowl interior and flat rim) meet. But this plate has a more rounded connection than usual, which is not clearly visible in the pictures. Quite unusual...I cannot find anything similar in Chinese wares.

The sectioned rim design is not specific to either origin. It is frequently present in Arita wares which I suspect was copied from early Zhangzhou plates imported from China.