Wanli Kraak plate

[MarieLouise]

I have this Wanli Kraak plate and would gladly ask your opinion about its authenticity, age and value. Thank you in advance

[MarieLouise]

This is the base.

[MarieLouise]

And the mark

[MarieLouise]

Another base picture

[peterp]

Definitely neither Wanli nor Ming. Although the bottom looks as if it might have some age, the decoration looks more Japanese. Not sure if it is printed.

[Stan]

I agree with Peter, the bottom looks old, I know that Japanese did do Kraak style 1690 -1710 but I never seen it with crackle glaze and the decoration looks strange for period also the mark looks like a modern Japanese mark.

[peterp]

Actually, such marks appear on Dehua kiln items also, usually two handwritten characters. But the decoration...I have seen it many times but cannot remember where or what it was. This one differs both from the Ming and Qing dynasty Kraak plates. If it is not Japanese, it would be more recent, but the bottom seems to have some age.

[peterp]

The shape is not resembling Kraak much. If it is a bowl, then there would be only a narrow edge present, while plates come with two different rim types. I would also like to point out that usually Kraak plates have a certain pattern on the underside and no mark. There seems to be an egret mark on some, according to the book written by Rinaldi, detailing such wares. Otherwise there are normally none.
Neither the Chinese nor Japanese Kraak wares she lists in her book resemble this completely. If it were not for the mark and base, I would think it is more likely European.
There are some Ebay sellers offering such plates as Late Ming. I do not believe they are from that period. This is not a traditional Chinese painting style. However, I cannot comment on whether the plates are old or not. They look as if they are, but the foot rim does not look like a Ming foot rim either.

[Stan]

Could it be from southeast Asia?

[peterp]

It might be Kangxi after all. It seems they made some variations of the original motifs, but not for long.  If it is, then it must be Dehua, because of the foot rim shape and mark. And the design is really already much off the original Kraak.
When searching for Kangxi Kraak it is possible to find more similar plates.

[Stan]

Kangxi and marked, that's pretty good.

[konniela]

I have seen pieces like this, decoration and mark, offered as shipwreck porcelain from the 17. Century.

[Rec]

Is the footrim not too wide ? Did chinese usually put their mark carefully on the centre of the plate?
Is it porcelain or tin glazed faiance?

[Stan]

I thinks a close up photo of the blue color would give us a better understanding of authenticity.

[Rec]

at 8 o'clock a part of the glaze is gone. could you please post a detailed picture of this area too