Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: alessandracir on Oct 03, 2014, 08:05:13

Title: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 03, 2014, 08:05:13
Hello,

I am looking to find out information about this Teapot and cups. i have been unable to decipher the marks on the teapot.
Im looking to find out any bit of information anyone knows about this teapot.

Thank you very much
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 03, 2014, 08:07:43
front of teapot
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 03, 2014, 08:08:26
bottom of cup
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 03, 2014, 08:10:18
front of cups
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: peterp on Oct 08, 2014, 08:38:57
Sorry, your post somehow got forgotten.  Can you provide closeup pictures of the painted decoration, please. Also one of the mark.
Overall this is 20th century, but the closeup pictures help evaluate whether it is earlier or later.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 08:56:49
Yes of course,

Teapot Marks
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 08:57:17
front of teapot
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 08:58:44
cups
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: peterp on Oct 09, 2014, 09:17:57
Hi, with a close-up shot we hope to get high resolution of details like the painting strokes, etc. from near up; that could be a partial picture. The eyes and faces are usually especially important, but the painting strokes themselves give also some information.

The teapot mark says "Made by Zhang Rong-shun, in Jiangxi", which was an artisan from the early republic period. However, when comparing the signature with that of another, older looking item, it appears that the handwriting of the signature is different. Looks as if someone else wrote it. Therefore, it is possible that the pot is from later in the 20th century.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: peterp on Oct 09, 2014, 09:29:49
Does the cup bottom below belong to the cup above? If not, an image of the decoration would be required for evaluation. The mark says  "Xiang Rui Qi Zhen", also an early republic porcelain painter mark.

The cup in the picture on top could be early republic.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 10:26:02
Thank you very much!

I will try and take close up shots of the brush strokes as soon as possible.

Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 23:06:16
Detailed Photographs of Teapot Subject
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 23:08:53
Details of Teacup 1, front and back
Goes with pervious Bottom cup mark
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 09, 2014, 23:11:33
Cup 2
front and back
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: Stan on Oct 10, 2014, 00:58:58
I do not think that this is Guangxu period or early republic because of the way the face is out lined in black, the earlier faces would be outlined in red or brown, I think this is republic period 1912 to 1949 in my opinion, Im just going by the painting method, I am interested in what Peter says about the writing, that to could narrow the time created, especially it there is a cyclical date.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: peterp on Oct 10, 2014, 08:56:19
Basically I would think painting style, colors and the eyes and hairdo of the ladies would fit about 1920s to 30s.  However, as mentioned earlier the writing style of the signature on the pot does not correspond with that on a clearly older item. (With older I mean that the decoration shows clear usage and age signs.) The cup is in a similar condition as the teapot.

I own both old and new items with this type of decoration and I must say that its quality resembles more the newer one. The black characters are also look more gray/abraded on the older items. Therefore, I would assume that these are  items made in the second half of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: Stan on Oct 10, 2014, 09:51:36
So mid 20th century, thanks Peter.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 11, 2014, 08:13:09
Thank you !
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 11, 2014, 08:16:22
One last question, does this painting style/ type of design have a name or classification?
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 15, 2014, 22:03:49
just wondering if it is considered to be Five colour porcelain or famille Rose?
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: Stan on Oct 15, 2014, 22:53:59
Famille rose.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 15, 2014, 23:17:17
Just wondering, since the teapot says "Made by Zhang Rong-shun, in Jiangxi",  while the cup says "Xiang Rui Qi Zhen", would cups be made by one person and the teapot another?
I am just trying to figure out if the cups and teapot came together in a set, or if the cups were purchased separately to visually match the teapot.

Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: Stan on Oct 15, 2014, 23:45:15
It looks like they were matched, not a made together, the marks on the bottom are deferent, on sets made for each other you would have the same marks, or the cups would not have been marked, I have seen sets like that, where the tea pot would be marked and the cups unmarked but the decoration would be the same on each, it does not look like your cups decoration matches  the tea pot decoration.
Title: Re: Tea pot and cups
Post by: alessandracir on Oct 16, 2014, 00:19:41
thank you!