Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Antique Japanese & Korean Ceramics => Topic started by: abderrahim on May 25, 2024, 22:50:14

Title: identification Please???
Post by: abderrahim on May 25, 2024, 22:50:14
Please I need your help to identify the age of these  vases.Thankyou.
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: Stan on May 26, 2024, 05:04:26
Late 20th century in my view. the colors and decoration are modern, the mark on the bottom is not centered, The decoration is printed and hand colored, it could even be Japanese, lets see what others say.
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: peterp on May 26, 2024, 11:20:29
The apocryphal Qianlong mark is the only thing that would suggest Chinese, but the decoration itself looks all Japanese
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: Stan on May 27, 2024, 05:46:48
Thanks Peter, for verifying it being Japanese, that was my take on it but I thought maybe it was Chinese made for the Japanese market.
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: peterp on May 27, 2024, 07:55:35
Theoretically that is possible, but the Chinese would not place the mark in such a place. What I would do is a scratch test to see if the mark is over the glaze, and fired. If it is neither then someone could have applied it anytime after production.
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: abderrahim on May 28, 2024, 06:05:16
Thank you Stan and Peter for your answers, fortunately I don't pay much, $25 with delivery.
I did the scratch test, it doesn't come off, it's still there.
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: abderrahim on May 28, 2024, 09:56:50
Hi Peter if after the scratch test, it doesn't come off, The mark is still there, this means that it is made in China then exported to Japan.
Thank's
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: peterp on May 28, 2024, 12:18:20
That is what 'you' think. To me it just increases the possibility that someone else stamped the mark after manufacturing, that is not the manufacturer. If it was fired underneath glaze it does not necessarily mean it is NOT Japanese. The Japanese added Chinese marks to Japanese porcelain too, at times. The position of the mark is too odd...
Title: Re: identification Please???
Post by: abderrahim on May 28, 2024, 22:52:55
Thankyou Peter, It's true the position of the mark is too strange... also when I touch it by hand it is in relief, someone else stamped the mark after manufacturing.
Thank's