Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: smak on Dec 07, 2022, 01:38:14

Title: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: smak on Dec 07, 2022, 01:38:14
Hi guys,

The bottom design of this dish, I've seen often but not sure on the dating of this design. I suspect Republic maybe earlier? But also could be late Qing?

I have the opportunity to buy this but I have some doubts..

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Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: smak on Dec 07, 2022, 01:40:30
Could be Japanese entirely?
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: Stan on Dec 07, 2022, 08:16:13
I think it is Chinese in a Japanese style, I have never seen such peonies like these in Japanese decoration, and a straight foot would mean 20th century or later.
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: smak on Dec 07, 2022, 10:16:40
Thanks Stan! Would you say Republic? Or much later?
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: Stan on Dec 07, 2022, 16:50:31
It looks like it has age, first quarter of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: peterp on Dec 07, 2022, 18:22:38
Careful. The straight rim is typical for Jiaqing/Daoguang. The decoration underneath the rim is not as fine, usually. The phoenix and peonies don't look right either. While the body might be old, we must always consider the possibility that a blank was used to add a much later decoration. To my taste this looks too perfect.
I'm sure that a hands-on inspection using a magnifier or microscope would also create doubts about the decoration's age when viewing the the glaze.
The outlines of the pomegranate, the feathers of the phoenix and parts of the tail look as drawing tools were used to draw them, rather than by hand.
I would say when in doubt, do not buy...
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: smak on Dec 15, 2022, 09:01:41
Thanks Peter! !
Title: Re: Republic Charger? 13.7 Inches
Post by: smak on Dec 15, 2022, 09:03:33
Thanks Stan!!