Now I have a question for you, this is a rare Meiping vase, metal coating and beads, if this is the tomb of a gift or tribute to the war? China, the six mark is Xuande. Picture attached.
Best Regards
Aarre
Collector from Finland
Hi Aarre, the Characters read Made during the Xuande ring of the great Ming dynasty, but the character from the left to right the third character is not written correctly, in my book it shows the mark with 2 squares and a line under it and yours clearly has 3 squares and a line, Im doubt full that this is even Chinese.
Hello Stan!
Thank you for your comment, this character, I'm not inspected it yet in detail.
I am more interested in a vase intended use / production, is made of a type, or the tomb of the war, because of a tribute.
Below is one of the web page address, XuanDe mark
Best Regards
Aarre
http://www.teadust.com/edu/marks/MarksB.htm
Hi Aarre, everyone of the marks on the web site you gave is written correctly, except yours.
Hi Stan thanks! You're absolutely right, right to left, the third character is different.
I'm more interested in the vase purpose, what is this made of? the tomb of a gift, a gift to the heads of the Chinese or Arabs, maybe?
With only a partial picture, how could we guess what it is for?
From my limited knowledge, I feel that the painting of the star like flowers is not ancient and the bead studded style makes it look suspicious.
Hi Selley! Style of painting is an ancient Chinese tree three friends in winter.
Hi Peterp& Co.
I hope this image will help the analysis.
A fantasy product, I'm afraid. This is not anything traditional. It could even be that this was not painted in China. The decoration does not look like a regular picture of the three friends of winter. I would think that most people in the Far East would know how bamboo looks, really, and would paint it in a more natural way.
It's funnu that I am nearly 90% accurate when judging if something is Chinese or not. And when I make the mistake of saying something is not Chinese, the object turns out to be Chinese export porcelain.
Yes! I too was ready to swear, this is not a Chinese vase, but it is :) .... this vase is shipped out from China in April 2014, and under the bottom of an export permit stamp in the year 1921., I do not think that it has been transported to China in the past ;)
Anyway, the object is now the Material Inspection and await with interest the analysis, the article of manufacture purpose I have not received yet any good answer, I think I get one later. Who knows even if Skifi ;)
three frend...
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=389089&objectid=3181338
Hi Aarre, shipped out from china in april 2014 and under the bottom an export permit, I am confused, dose that mean that the permit was issued in 1921 and then never exported or dose that mean that it was exported and brought back, or dose that mean that they finally exported it in 2014, well any way the last I checked, China is not exporting any of their antique any more, any thing that is 50 years and older can not be exported anymore.
Yes, that bamboo is right, but yours is like stars, there is no bamboo like that. Again an example how some people cannot see the subtle differences in painting.
Export permit? There were never export permits required until the PRC, so way into the second half of the 20th century anyway. However, if you are talking about a brown or red wax seal, that is issued to contemporary products too. The only thing it does is to let customs know that it can be exported. If the vase were from the period it tries to fake then it could not be exported - in other words there would be no permit. How about letting us a look at that too. Why do you not post bottom pictures and other details? Do you want to sell this as antique?
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that...the metal pieces.
In old times, Chinese porcelain used metal fittings only to mend mend or modify damaged items, making them again usable.
How are the metal pieces supposed to be attached to the porcelain? Modern glues were not available until far into the 20th century. Even European glues of the 19th century were very basic, some even containing cheese. Any fittings would need some mechanical way of attaching. It would require drilling of holes for each metal piece, which could effectively cause a leak in the vase.
But, this item looks as if the pieces were glued on.
Hi....Fun and interesting ... material analysis I got more information, decoration blue color is cobalt / mg
and patterns of metal is silver! glass bead is attached to a thin copper rim. Carefully evaluate vase age of 100-200 years.
We take the structure of the layer still images / RTG, and find out how silver is attached to the structure.
Vase is not for sale or ...;))
What do you want to prove with the presence of cobalt? All mineral pigments of blue contained cobalt, in China, even the early imported ones. I do not know if all or any current chemical blue colors do contain any, but today it is much easier to get such pigments than in the past. Here almost every arts shop carries mineral pigments from China. You think the fakers would not get them?
Why do you not upload more images for inspection, especially closeup ones and a picture of the base? This is a futile exercise theorizing about authenticity with just two pictures.
Peter please wait, I told earlier, the vase is now in the National Gallery in the laboratory and is being investigated. Right now I do not have to give more pictures sorryy.
Aarre,
Are you talking about a Theroluminescence test commonly known as the TL test for dating porcelain and testing its authenticity?
Jep, First step, Scanning Electron Microscope and spectrum analyses and last taken TLC.
this order, because I want to know how this is made together with silver and pearls. Now the Hong Kong art museum examines the use of the object, very interesting;))
That is very interesting, please keep us up to date, thanks, BTW how much dose a test like that cost, if you don't mind me asking.
Stan, the normal price of tests is approximately four hundred ? / test, including the preparation and the final report, but I hope this time I will pay one large cup of cappuccino;))
Thank you, I wish you the best.
I wonder if the HK museum is trying to prove whether it is fake or authentic, and if it's the former, to learn about faking methods.
Yes....Chinese ceramic history and the tomb of artefact research is very young, the dynasty tombs lot more than one hundred and studied Tombos of a few perhaps more than ten pieces, so we can expect still a lot of new objects and patterns later....its intresting to...
How does anyone legally obtain items from a tomb?
And how can the metal be so clean and bright if that is where it came from?
Good question Qst42know it is a fact that silver will turn black over time.
Dear Qst42...maybe you do not understand correctly, so many Chinese objects from around the world has been the timing and significance after the tomb of research has gone forward. Of course, the object does not robbed from tomb;))
Yes Stan is right!
Ah language barrier.
Tome: part of a body of scholarly work.
Tomb: a place to bury the dead.
Anyway I hope your item is being tested for its merits and not your enthusiasm and check book.