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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: kardinalisimo on Jul 19, 2014, 10:36:24

Title: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jul 19, 2014, 10:36:24
The base and the marks on the neck makes me think it is a recent piece but want to hear another opinions. Are the carvings real calligraphy or made up?
Thanks
Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jul 21, 2014, 13:10:13
Am I reading the characters on the first mark right or I am way off?
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The last one on the left is not quite the same.
Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: peterp on Jul 21, 2014, 13:55:01
It is right, but backwards.
Nowadays one writes Chinese left to right, if writing in a horizontal direction.


Note: On antique porcelain it should be right to left, if horizontal, otherwise something is fishy.
Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jul 21, 2014, 21:35:24
So,  the mark is written vertical and should be read top to bottom, left to right  ??  , correct?
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If you right it vertical in one column does it look like this?
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If I have to write it horizontal it should look like this ???? ?
I don't understand what is it about, Liu Yichang ? Would that be the name of the artist or the company?





                                                                               
Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jul 22, 2014, 01:18:59
Ok,
I found similar. I had to use simplified ???? for better search.
http://bbs.artron.net/thread-3114122-1-1.html
http://jd.cang.com/187306.html
From the comments appears to be a modern piece.


http://www.shangci.net/luntan/40035827.html
Here they are saying something about the maker being
????1896-1976? but don't know if the attribution is correct and cannot figure everything with google translator.







Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: peterp on Jul 22, 2014, 09:38:48
It says that Liu Yichang perhaps is the name of s big workshop/factory in Jingdezhen, belonging to ??? .
But the author is not sure about this. Many shops/factories/artisans of the period are difficult to document. The manufacturer obviously closed in 1976.
Title: Re: Cafe Au Lait Sgraffito Vase
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jul 22, 2014, 10:09:42
Thanks Peter.  Do they say what year was the shop opened?  There may be more examples online but that is all I found searching with the mark's script.
in few generations it will be antique