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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: haukech on Jul 22, 2019, 04:46:04

Title: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 22, 2019, 04:46:04
Dear All,
I have recently adquires this saucer. I have seen a similar item on a site stating 19c but checking the faces I think it could also be 20c.
I will post in several parts to all better detail. Border seems like 19c but body is quite white.
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 22, 2019, 04:47:56
Its divided in 3 sections depicting characters and 4 sections with scenaries of nature.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: peterp on Jul 22, 2019, 07:46:01
Qing, Jiaqing reign. Plate with Canton enamels, specifically made for export. This type of colors were exclusively used in Canton (Guangzhou), not in Jingdezhen or elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 23, 2019, 05:31:17
Thank you Peterp, do you think this is end XVIII or early XIX? I have serached for similar style but always end up with the rose medallion type (distribution of artwork).
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: peterp on Jul 23, 2019, 07:18:25
Basically, considering the decoration only, it could also be Daoguang reign. But the pictures seem to show a slanted foot rim, which points to a manufacture of the porcelain body in the Qianlong reign or 18th century. The porcelain blanks were made in JDZ and then transported to Canton for painting, and it is said that stored blanks lasted until the Jiaqing reign.
Thus, if there was a straight foot rim it could be Daoguang.

Generally it is difficult to pinpoint manufacturing times more exactly. With items shipped by the Dutch VOC in earlier times extant shipping logs might sometimes give more exact dates for the some manufacturing batches. I do not know about the other companies.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 23, 2019, 21:14:35
Thanks for the additional details Peterp. I note it and perhaps with some reading will find some similar items.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 29, 2019, 15:40:24
Found rhe same design and painting style in a bigger format.
Would love to find a cup that would match now.
Title: Re: Saucer - unclear if 19c or 20c
Post by: haukech on Jul 29, 2019, 15:41:52
Base and rim detail.