Hallo Peter and members,
Please your opinion on this bowl. Cm 20 x 8.
Thank you in advance.
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Hi Pablo,
I could not tell for sure if it is M&P. If it is it would probably have to be official ware, although for that the painting quality of the cloud roundels might be insufficient. I'm afraid this may require a hands-on inspection of the glaze, using a magnifier. Personally I think it either has to be imperial ware or a later copy. No clear age or usage signs visible.
Yay! Tank you Peter! I was sure this time I found a super-item! I'll try to post more detailed images using a macro lens.
Looking at it more closely, I noted that the bottom is diffusely slightly scratched and abrased (the lens is not a macro)
...and that some black pupils of the bats' eyes are fallen here and there.
Hi Pablo, I have not seen this pattern of cloud formation in Qing dynasty or republic period, Im not saying it did not exist, but I have viewed for several years Guangxu porcelain and this is a bit strange as Peter mentioned.
I just realized the pattern that this is supposed to be representing of the Guangxu period, it is done so bad I almost did not recognize it, this is clearly late 20th century.
This cloud pattern is common in the Guangxu reign, but it is not export, so you may not see it that often. The clouds are somewhat reminiscent of those used on Bleu de Hue export porcelain, only that those are much larger.
Here is a link of an image search for this pattern. artron and kknet are some of the better sites on the Chinese web, still some items may not be authentic. There are too many being sold even at auction and you know what that might mean. tinyurl.com/y5hmepyt
Here is an image of a vase: img.dpm.org.cn/Uploads/Picture/dc/57180.jpg
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Note:
The "dpm" in the link means this is from the website of the Palace Museum in Peking. If you find a "npm" in the link, this is the National Palace Museum in Taipei. More reliable sites. There is also one called "digitalarchives" which consists mainly of npm pieces.
Thank you Peter! As always your knowledge not of chinese porcelains only, but also of web resorces concerning them, is fundamental to understand. The vase of the Palace Museum that you posted shows bi-tone blue cloud roundels very similar to the bowl's ones, painted in the same slightly waving way. On the other side, the pictorial quality of the bats of the bowl is stratospheric. At this point, also considering where I found the item, I think I can realistically hope to own an imperial chinese porcelain. Thank you Stan for your contribution.
Just when you think you have seen it all, sorry Pablo. I guess that is a legit pattern, but a little crude for Imperial I think, Thanks Peter.
No problem Stan! I would like to have your knowledge!
Thanks Pablo but Peter is the Man his knowledge blows me away, not to mention I would say 99% of what I learned was from Peter.
Thanks for the praise, Stan, but I do not think I deserve it. There is so much more to learn. And you are too modest. I had to virtually give up my interest in antique furniture and wooden objects to concentrate mainly on ceramics, while you continue with multiple categories.
BTW, I noted that you apparently also are strong in the line of Hanga.
Thanks Peter, I know what you mean I am constantly humbled by how munch I don't know, but it fun as long as we are learning, and thank you for providing a place for us to learn.