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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 11:11:33

Title: Late Ming Plum Vase?
Post by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 11:11:33
Hi all,

This seems a bit off to me but what do you guys think?

When was this made?
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Post by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 11:12:08
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Post by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 11:12:23
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Post by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 11:13:41
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Title: Re: Late Ming Plum Vase?
Post by: peterp on Mar 08, 2019, 16:45:18
Looks as if it could be Ming Interregnum period item or a bit later. I say "looks as..." because the glaze does not show the usual glaze flaws or age sign visible on average items of that period. And the foot rim appears to be a bit wide. I have some doubts about the bottom.  My personal view.
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Post by: smak on Mar 08, 2019, 21:40:59
Thanks Peter,

I was thinking it could be made in later Qing or even a modern replica.. Kinda hard to say, but the glaze does look as if its not of Ming period.. but with Ming design.
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Post by: Rec on Mar 09, 2019, 00:47:41
I get the feeling that a part of the foot rim decoration is drawn with the help of a ruler (see pic nr 23, 25)
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Post by: Stan on Mar 09, 2019, 01:23:04
Not to mention the Starburst bottom which I believe is a 20th century trait,
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Post by: peterp on Mar 09, 2019, 07:36:28
Star burst bottom?  Do you mean the chatter marks? These are basically a sign of certain times, they are not visible always. The cause is the axial fluctuation of the wheel when the bottom was shaved with a bamboo. Has to do with quality of the wheel used. The interregnum period had some items with chatter marks, the late Ming (e.g. Kraak) and early Qing dynasty up to about Yongzheng also have occasionally items showing them under the glaze, but few. They may be from certain kilns with old wheels, perhaps.

Some 19th century Japanese items do have them too on glazed bottoms, often accompanied with coarse kiln sand. This are age faking signs, and the marks are often too regular.