Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: Rec on Feb 01, 2019, 23:33:19

Title: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: Rec on Feb 01, 2019, 23:33:19
is this a 17 /18 century chinese imari saucer probably used as a bonbonier?
Greeting , Rec
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: peterp on Feb 02, 2019, 20:09:27
Imari style it is, the question is whether it is Chinese or could be Japanese.
A side view showing the curved sides clearly, and a view of the foot rim might be helpful. From these pictures it looks as if it could have a non-standard shape. But that could be because there may be a distortion when viewed at an angle from slightly above or below.
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: Rec on Feb 02, 2019, 23:04:53
Hi Peter,
I removed the frame and here are the photos of the footrim
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: Stan on Feb 03, 2019, 02:08:26
This looks like Chinese Imari to me, the typical blue, red, and gold on Kangxi and later.
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: johnno42000 on Feb 03, 2019, 03:42:26
Not sure this helps but that looks like a Lyre rather than a traditional type harp.
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: peterp on Feb 03, 2019, 11:04:17
Perhaps I did not explain clearly, the contour (rounding or curvature) of a Chinese and Japanese plate as well as the proportional relationship of top rim and foot rim diameter is the only difference between a Chinese and Japanese item with Chinese decoration. We are talking of shape... paintined decorations are more easily copied. On the surface it looks Chinese, but I have seen Japanese items that looked perfectly Chinese, except a minor part of the shape.  :-)

In this case the actual foot rim shape would also be needed to make sure if it could be 18th century or if it is later. This is only visible with a view straight from the side, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: Rec on Feb 03, 2019, 20:26:49
New pics
Title: Re: Kangxi imari saucer with silver mounted harp
Post by: peterp on Feb 03, 2019, 21:31:23
Maybe it is Chinese, but I have doubts about Kangxi, mainly because of the bottom glaze condition (the glaze indents), which is not typical. Perhaps later...