Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: Rec on Feb 01, 2019, 23:16:00

Title: Famille rose plate
Post by: Rec on Feb 01, 2019, 23:16:00
Hi guys,
What is your expert opinion on this plate?
Greetings
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: Stan on Feb 02, 2019, 01:18:56
This looks like a 20th century chinoiserie.
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: peterp on Feb 02, 2019, 13:17:50
Could it be Japanese?  The mark seems to be a ? mark which not only is still used on Japanese porcelain, the handwriting style is also typically found on Japanese porcelain. Just an idea...
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: Stan on Feb 02, 2019, 13:31:04
Hi Peter, I thought the mark read NB but if it is Japanese writing then it would have to be Japanese, thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: peterp on Feb 02, 2019, 16:47:08
Well, it is a Kanji; Kanji is the Japanese for Chinese characters. They use almost 2000 mixed with the two Japanese syllabaries. The character ? reads 'fu' in Chinese and 'fuku' in Japanese.
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: Adriano on Feb 02, 2019, 17:32:27
I think it could be European Chinoiserie.
Chinese and Japanese plates do not have holes for hanging, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: peterp on Feb 02, 2019, 19:59:25
Indeed, if the holes were there before firing. In that case, however, I would think an explanation for the mark would be required. Such handwriting is not easily copied.
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: Rec on Feb 02, 2019, 22:53:41
I will thank you all for your contribution. I made a few pictures of the holes and the mark. To me, the holes looks like drilled at a later moment and the mark does not look copied.
I would like to hear your opinion. Does the holes drilled before firing or after? And when this plate could be produced ?
Greetings an thanks in advance
Title: Re: Famille rose plate
Post by: Stan on Feb 03, 2019, 02:00:31
I see it now, sorry Peter you are quite right, normally I would recognize a Japanese Fuku mark right away but this is the first time I have seen one in this fashion, most likely because of the age, 2nd half to the 20th century, here is a typical Fuku mark on old Japan wares.