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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Antique Japanese & Korean Ceramics => Topic started by: kardinalisimo on Jun 23, 2014, 10:46:17

Title: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jun 23, 2014, 10:46:17
Any idea what the left column reads? If not wrong the right one is Dai Nipon.
Thanks
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: Stan on Jun 25, 2014, 09:29:59
Hi Kardinalisimo, I could not find anything in my Japanese books with these marks, sorry.
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: kardinalisimo on Jun 25, 2014, 11:32:34
Thanks for trying Stan.
At least does the right side read Dai Nipon?
Any idea if that is Seto ware?
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 25, 2014, 17:25:14
Yes, it reads Dainippon.
Unfortunately, the first character on the left is simplified in a way that it is difficult to know what name it is.
Do you not know what "Setomono" (seto ware) means???
It is one of the Japanese terms for porcelain.
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: Stan on Jun 25, 2014, 22:23:49
The way it is written dates it about 1868 to 1912, could it be Kato Masukichi of Seto, " Kawamoto Masukichi the 2nd ?
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 26, 2014, 07:45:46
??The way it is written dates it about 1868 to 1912, could it be Kato Masukichi of Seto, " Kawamoto Masukichi the 2nd ?
The character would be written ??, a male personal name. Could also be read Masuyoshi. I find this reading on English websites, but not on Japanese ones. On the other hand, Japanese names are often written with the same characters, but pronounced differently, especially personal names.
I have looked at some marks written by this Kato, and they were carefully executed, more so than average Japanese marks. But with the character shown on the bottom of the bowl, two strokes would be missing. A number of other characters could also be abbreviated that way.  So, he would be from the town of Seto?


PS: "Setomono" is nowadays often used as a common name for "porcelain", as already mentioned. It is therefore better to be careful with its use. It does not necessarily have to be from the place of the same name, in order to be called that way.
Title: Re: Help With Mark On Seto Sometsuke Bowl
Post by: Stan on Jun 26, 2014, 08:47:24
Hi Peter, I looked up Seto on gotheborg's web site and found marks similar to the ones on this bowl, it was there that they are saying it is Kawamoto Masukichi, however the top mark on their's is different.