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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: Qst42know on Jun 21, 2014, 08:34:08

Title: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 21, 2014, 08:34:08
I had to chuckle a bid when I saw this, two places the potter left their finger prints.

Can anyone make out the mark even though the bottom seemed to touch the kiln floor.
Title: Re: Fingerprint bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 21, 2014, 08:37:54
Does the shouldered dry rim interior indicate a lid was present at some time?
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 21, 2014, 16:06:44
Full bottom picture, please, and one closeup each of the foot rim and the top rim.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 22, 2014, 04:59:20
Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 22, 2014, 05:01:09
A couple more.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 22, 2014, 06:17:08
I don't know if I captured the details you were looking for.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 24, 2014, 00:32:35
So what do you think? Guangxu peoples ware?
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 24, 2014, 08:24:48
I have seen several of these wares. With yours, the bats and the pomegranate are fairly well done, but the small leaves look carelessly done.
What I cannot make sure with these pictures is if part of the outlines is printed or not. You would have to examine with a magnifier. The said leaves and the top rim decoration are likely candidates for printing (the outlines only), whereas the filling would be done by hand.
Basically, these decorations are Guangxu to early republic. The Tongzhi reign mark is apocryphal, in my view. The bottom could also be right for the period.
The pictures were taken in too bright a light, but is the top rim unglazed? In this case there would indeed have been a lid.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 24, 2014, 09:28:00
Hi Peter.

The top exterior is what remains of a gold band. The sholdered interior is dry.

The spacing on the top band is all wrong for printed, including an undersized adjuster at the 360 point.

The bottom rim is shaved at about a 45 degree angle.

At the leaf tip the brush strokes break and trail off at at some points.

Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 24, 2014, 09:30:47
And the ever present spacing troubles. 
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 24, 2014, 09:37:09
Not destined for a palace. Is there a market for peasant ware?

Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 25, 2014, 23:55:15
Thank you PeterP.

Now that I have a better idea of what you are looking for perhaps I can get the job done with fewer photos.

Chris
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 27, 2014, 07:16:07
Just have a look at the items on the first page of the "Gallery", entering from the Homepage. You will see how more carefully painted decorations of the same type look.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 28, 2014, 20:31:30
I have looked at the gallery photos and they are much more accurately made.

Looking at the bowl I have the full fingerprint is about half the size of mine. I have average size hands.

Perhaps this was made by a child laborer in training. But that's pure speculation.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: peterp on Jun 28, 2014, 20:47:14
Quality was often related to cost, as it is today... I have also seen some that look 'much'  worse than yours, hand painted, and some that were printed. So, yours is still on the better side.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jun 29, 2014, 21:31:24
Hi PeterP

Please forgive the rookie question but the image between the bats, is this an insect? a word? And what does the  entire panel represent? I'm trying to understand the symbolism.
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: Qst42know on Jul 02, 2014, 09:55:29
I see in the forum rules it is ok to ask where you folks buy or sell. I also understand some may not want to reveal such information.

Does anyone here buy or sell on ebay?
Title: Re: Finger print bowl
Post by: peterp on Jul 02, 2014, 10:23:38
It is all right to make general questions in that respect. Just don't mention specific sellers or user names. Otherwise, we may have lots of dealers promoting their sites here. The main purpose of this site is helping each other authenticating or dating items.

This said, I have bought items off Ebay - good, genuine antiques, but you have to be careful. There are much too many fakes on offer there.