Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: ssbill on Mar 09, 2018, 05:32:47

Title: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: ssbill on Mar 09, 2018, 05:32:47
The photos aren't very good, sorry. I'm not asking for you to confirm is it genuine but only if, in your opinion, it might be.
I think the bottom and colors look right. I also think this dragon design could be of kangxi period.
Title: Re: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: peterp on Mar 09, 2018, 07:35:18
This is not antique but a modern item. Basically this decoration appears on Chinese style plates, which have a different rim shape. This is a western style plate with a shape as was used for export. The foot rim seems to be rounded, which is incongruent.
And why should it be Kangxi?
Title: Re: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: bokaba on Mar 09, 2018, 12:13:58
From what I've seen, the outer rim is also too decorated for a Kangxi period export.
Title: Re: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: peterp on Mar 09, 2018, 16:37:26
There is nothing specifically Kangxi here. This decoration is called "dragon over the wall" in Chinese and appears mainly in the mid-Qing dynasty on Chinese shaped dishes, plates, bowls and cups, although it may have also existed earlier and later.
Chinese shaped plates are bent up only, near the outer edge, with a larger flat central area than the western one. That makes it ideal for such decorations. I would be interested to see any such decoration that is old and appears on western plate shape.
This dragon is not Kangxi.
Title: Re: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: ssbill on Mar 10, 2018, 06:19:40
The owner told me kangxi. You are right about the the foot rim, I should have known better.
Title: Re: Fine Dragon Kangxi export Dish
Post by: peterp on Mar 10, 2018, 12:16:40
You can also tell from the tip of the dragon's tail that it is not Kangxi.