Chinese Ceramics & Antiques Discussion

Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: konniela on Feb 17, 2018, 20:33:30

Title: Plate export
Post by: konniela on Feb 17, 2018, 20:33:30
So here the second plate, also restored.

Same question: 18.century ?

Thanks once more
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: Stan on Feb 18, 2018, 01:07:47
This plate looks more authentic than the last 18th century.
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: peterp on Feb 18, 2018, 16:47:56
Could be Kangxi, and could be wucai rather than fencai. The blue color is fencai, if it is on the glaze and not under it. In that case it would have to be late Kangxi. A close view of the colors should clarify that.
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: konniela on Feb 18, 2018, 20:25:24
I tried to make photos for a closer view to the colours.
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: konniela on Feb 18, 2018, 20:25:51
One more
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: Stan on Feb 19, 2018, 01:58:10
The blue is definitely on top of the glaze, this type of blue I always thought it was a tin glaze, it is not translucent like the Fencai blue, could this blue have been imported from Europe where they had such glazes during the 18th century?
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: konniela on Feb 20, 2018, 14:11:15
I have just seen that one photo is from the other plate, sorry for that, here the right photo.
Title: Re: Plate export
Post by: peterp on Feb 20, 2018, 18:52:15
Fencai means literally powder color. In China this is also called "soft color", differentiating it from the "hard" wucai and Canton enamels.
The "soft" here means that it can have soft tones. The hard colors are more or less one intensity, it is not possibly to lighten their shades. Fencai can be from a very light to a dark color tone. Like the red flowers shown here, their petals have light edges but are darker in the center. I think the blue could be toned down to a light color too by just decreasing the pigment or increasing the medium. But most of the early ones were often used for small areas only. Underglaze blue was more often used and was often combined with fencai.But I could not say I am very sure here, because Canton enamels don't seem to be fencai either.