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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Antique Japanese & Korean Ceramics => Topic started by: Antiquejunkie on Feb 08, 2018, 13:22:04

Title: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Antiquejunkie on Feb 08, 2018, 13:22:04
Has beautiful flowers and a bird. Has beautiful black and gold detail to make color pop.  Ive tried reading bottom and i cant please help. Thanks
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Stan on Feb 08, 2018, 23:56:40
This is hardly Ancient Porcelain, possibly from the 60's, I could not find the mark in my books, maybe someone else can help.
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Antiquejunkie on Feb 09, 2018, 05:54:20
Usually when i camt find something it means its rare.  No made in china or japan mark which means it would predate that law. 
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: peterp on Feb 09, 2018, 08:37:58
It is a Japanese mark. The crackling means nothing. It can be created artificially and some items have it when they are new. Age signs are more subtle than that.
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Antiquejunkie on Feb 09, 2018, 08:40:22
Can u tell a date from japanese marks
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: peterp on Feb 09, 2018, 09:40:16
No. It is usually just the name of the artisan, manufacturer or kiln.
This one is a kiln name: ???  (Seizan gama)
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Mat on Feb 09, 2018, 15:06:04
I agree with Stan's dating, the "Made in Japan" may have been on a paper label or it was not exported but bought in Japan.
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: Antiquejunkie on Feb 10, 2018, 10:03:28
Was it worth 98 cents
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: bokaba on Feb 12, 2018, 08:23:35
I would date to probably about 1960-1980. Seizan with the presence of "gama" usually dates second half of the 20th Century. I believe Seizan began using its most current mark that has "Japan" written underneath in the 1980s, so this piece likely dates from before that.

Bokaba
Title: Re: Ancient Porcelain bowl never seen better colors help!!!
Post by: peterp on Feb 12, 2018, 11:05:41
I agree with Mat regarding the use of 'Made in...' on porcelain. I cannot remember having seen that when living in Japan. It is probably only used when something is intended for export at the time of manufacture. What you see on domestic porcelain most often is the manufacturer's name with 'yaki' ? (meaning 'fired') at the end.