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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: hatta on Aug 26, 2017, 21:00:30

Title: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 26, 2017, 21:00:30
Could you please help identifying the age of this?

Thanks
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 26, 2017, 21:30:52
More pictures.

Thank you
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: Stan on Aug 27, 2017, 01:03:23
Hi Hatta, This is a Fake in my opinion, the bottom looks like it was thrown on a modern potters wheel and the age signs are made to look old.
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 27, 2017, 02:05:17
Hi Stan, Thank you very much for the reply and your opinion, I dont think it fake as brown color is not dirert or something I could clean, I tried cleaning it just to see but didnt work, it is quite heavy for a fake one .. I will upload more pictures and see others opinions as well..

Thanks alot
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: Stan on Aug 27, 2017, 07:46:48
The dirt is one thing, but a metal potters wheel is another, which would make it 20 century, also at the top edge, where it is missing glaze, this is not natural, if you would take a closer photo' of that area to confirm age faking.
Title: Thanks Stan ( You wont believe what I have found ) !!
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 19:44:51
Hi Stan, Thank you so much for your support and the help that you provide for others , and Sorry for the late reply..

I have been very busy trying to solve a puzzle! I knew this chinese jar was very old and authentic but threre was something fishy about it when you told me that it was fake, so I got the jar and I started looking into it, and I have noticed that this jar was painted !! With a visable paint that you can remove, so I started removing the paint and I was shocked, Its a beatiful old jar with loads of spot rusts and a chinese symbol that was bured under neath the horrible paint, It was pianted all over because it was broken to pieces and they have tried to repair it.. now I dont know how old it is but it is absouletly bueatiful... I will post some pictures of I found under neath the fake jar!!

Title: Re: Identify the age! More photos
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 19:49:05
More photos...
Title: Re: Identify the age!more photos
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 19:51:51
More photos...
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: Stan on Aug 29, 2017, 20:51:40
Thanks for the additional photo's, these are much better, and yes this is not a fake but it is not old 20th century, you will not find a bottom like this on traditional Chinese antique porcelain.
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 21:03:10
Thank you very much, and how long or when do rust sports start to develop on porcelain?

Thanks
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: Stan on Aug 29, 2017, 21:23:01
Generally about 100 years but the spots on this is not natural, it looks like something was put into the glaze to give the appearance of age if you notice it is not like that all over, real rust spots are usually consistent throughout the piece, as you can see here it is not.
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 21:38:52
Do you mean like the rust spot in this bowl?
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Aug 29, 2017, 22:59:46
Closer look..
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: Stan on Aug 30, 2017, 05:01:55
Yes this looks more natural.
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: peterp on Sep 01, 2017, 15:08:31
In my view this lidded jar poses several questions that would require a hands-on inspection to clarify. What makes me doubt it most is the unglazed bottom. This is a so-called jade-bi shaped bottom. Usually that type of bottom would have a glazed interior area.
Title: Re: Identify the age!
Post by: hatta on Sep 01, 2017, 15:39:39
Thanks peter, I will try to clean the bottom and send close up pictures , its a puzzle as I dont think the color that was used is a 20th century and I cant find any information about the shmbol that was covered with new paint, and the rust spots on the led and the jar it self, plus I dont think anybody would do a hard job on a broken jar just to sell it for a cheaper price than a new fake one!