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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Chinese Ceramics Discussion => Topic started by: kardinalisimo on Apr 26, 2014, 11:53:51

Title: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: kardinalisimo on Apr 26, 2014, 11:53:51
Any help with figuring if they are Republic(Early, Late?) or Late Qing? The pieces are about 6 1/2" in diameter. The foot rims are oblique on the outside and straight on the inside
Thanks
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: peterp on Apr 26, 2014, 21:11:35
Neither republic nor late Qing...this is 18th century. This type of foot rim and the burst bubbles in the bottom confirm that the decoration is from that period.
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: kardinalisimo on Apr 26, 2014, 22:09:24
I read the topic about the Imari plate, where you were discussing the foot rims. I am really surprised that I could not find a source that classifies the feet of the plates during the different dynasties. I remember you had a little argument about the export plates having different bottoms. Were there any exceptions? Also is the rule only about certain kind of plates? There is a plate on the Koh website described as Kangxi and having straight rim. But the piece is a bit deeper.
http://koh-antique.com/history/historyqing.htm
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: shelley Kong on Apr 27, 2014, 04:50:19
The plates don't look Chinese.
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: kardinalisimo on Apr 27, 2014, 05:44:51
What do you mean don't look Chinese? Like, what does not look right to you?
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: shelley Kong on Apr 27, 2014, 15:50:20
I am not expert enough to explain but my instinct tells me so.
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: GerryG on Apr 27, 2014, 16:27:40
These are as Peter says, export famille rose plates made in the late 18th century. The foot rim is straw coloured, the decoration of floral sprays interspersed with gold with a predominant pink/rose typical of that period. the rim of the plate is also gold which is a good indicator of late 18th century. The hue of the gold is darker and deeper with more of an orange tint which indicates age. These are a good pair of typical export porcelain plates from that period and without doubt were made in China.
Title: Re: 2 Fencai Plates - Republic Or Earlier?
Post by: peterp on Apr 28, 2014, 20:52:38
Shelley, on export porcelain with floral decorations you will find: virtually 100% Chinese decoration (means all decoration elements are Chinese, but were made exclusively for export; 100% European decoration (looks exactly as if it was made in Europe), this is mostly found with floral motifs, or a mix of these. You may also sometimes find colors used that are otherwise hardly found on Chinese taste decorations in the 18th century...