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Antique Chinese Ceramics => Antique Japanese & Korean Ceramics => Topic started by: kardinalisimo on Dec 21, 2015, 06:37:23

Title: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: kardinalisimo on Dec 21, 2015, 06:37:23
20th century, first half?
By the way any idea of the depicted plants/fruit. One looks like pomegranate but not sure of the other ones.
Thanks
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: Stan on Dec 21, 2015, 16:38:32
I think your right on, 1st half of the 20th century, pomegranates, and usually peaches but the other looks like cherries.
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: peterp on Dec 21, 2015, 20:56:16
The second is probably a "buddha hand" fruit. However, I have never seen this or the oddly shaped Chinese peaches in Japan. Not sure if the first image (the right fruit resembling a Chinese peach in shape, while the left one looks more like a loquat), or the one inside shows loquats. The latter are found in Japan.

I would like to draw your attention to the first character of the mark. The character shown is ? while it should be ?. I do not know why many Japanese porcelains using Chinese marks are using this character. It is the wrong one, and they should know. Anyway, this is one of the means to differentiate Japanese made porcelain imitating Chinese porcelain. But not all such marks use the wrong character.
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: Stan on Dec 22, 2015, 00:30:56
Your right Peter, the Great mark, I never paid much attention to it before, I thought it was just drawn sloppy but looking a some of my plates with a six Character Chenghua mark, the Great character has a dot instead of a line, thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: kardinalisimo on Dec 25, 2015, 07:13:59
Thanks Peter. I always struggle with recognizing some of the plants and fruits on Chinese and Japanese porcelain. Good to know about the ? character.
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: Stan on Dec 25, 2015, 07:44:28
Does that mark mean "great, remotest.".
Title: Re: Imari Cup Wanli Mark
Post by: peterp on Dec 25, 2015, 20:44:00
Stan, in Japanese its meaning is completely different from Chinese.