Chinese celadon bowl

[Stan]

Hi Peter, I purchased 3 bowl on ebay, they were sold as a group, the seller said that he thought it is ming, I posted one of the bowls in " Other Asian Ceramics ", because I think it is Japanese, This bowl has a high ring to it when tapped with the finger, it is 7.65 cm tall and 19.7 cm wide, your expertise is appreciated, Im not sure if this is Chinese or not, I do not think it is Japanese, I suppose it could be Korean, but I am not sure, thanks for viewing I am including 12 photos for view, thank again.

[Stan]

Here is more photos to view.

[Stan]

Here is the last set of photos for viewing, thanks again.

[peterp]

Again not sure, Stan. You will have to consult a specialist on ancient ceramics.

The shape resembles a certain Longquan bowl type, while the glaze is more that of a Yue item. However, the interior decoration is unknown to me, and I have the impression that both the interior and exterior decorations are deviating from the normal ones. This is not my area of knowledge (although I have some period items, but also fakes).
Basically, looking at the base I think it is fake. The bottom seems to be a try at a Longquan type bottom, but color as well as the roughness (again) are failures. Longquan bottoms are first glazed and then the glaze was usually removed with a wet cloth, before firing. That results in a smooth bottom that is of a different color, because of the iron in the water. And the clay could not be that color.

Be careful, please, fakes of Yuan/Song items are rapidly increasing, and some are very good.

[Stan]

Hi Peter, after examining these bowls by looking at them closely under a 10X loop and hearing your comments, I have come to the conclusion that this bowl is indeed a fake, under the loop there are no scratches at all, inside or outside the bowl, from my experience bowls like this would have a utilitarian use, it would have been used on a daily base and to not see any scratches at all is a big clue that it is a fake, thanks Peter for your expertise, I am sending these back to the seller.

[peterp]

One more thing to emphasize:
This is important for identification. If it were Longquan the unglazed base should be smooth and brown-orange. A cloth with water containing iron oxide was used to wipe the glaze off. This would result in a "smooth" surface that would turn brown-orange during the firing process.
With this bowl the glaze was obviously scraped off with a hard object, which resulted in a very rough surface that did not change to orange.