Please your opinion on this blue white plate

hoogenbosch67 · Nov 30, 2018, 06:10:40

This one is difficult. It could be late ming??

hoogenbosch67 · Nov 30, 2018, 06:11:39

extra photos bottom

Stan · Nov 30, 2018, 06:56:22

The blue looks like Qianlong but I have never seen them use cloth to set the porcelain on in the kiln until the late or early republic, I could be wrong about that but it seems the cloth was used in the later periods.

Rec · Nov 30, 2018, 07:18:06

Are the edges gilded?

Stan · Nov 30, 2018, 07:23:05

I can't really tell by these photos.

peterp · Nov 30, 2018, 08:31:03

I concur with Stan. But the lines may be just lines, not necessarily threading.
Can you upload images with better resolution? Partial is fine.
What is of interest is the bottom and the lines. The dirty looking part...is that kiln sand. The glaze edge along the bottom. Is there kiln sand?
Is the bottom completely flat or slightly lower on the interior?
Is the edge brown or gilt?
Some partial high resolution picture(s) of the blue decoration, please.
Also, the size might be important.

Where the problems are:
This is definitely not Ming.
The blue is also a bit too dark for Qianlong.
There should be no kiln sand.
Could be made in the 19th century judging by the color, but the bottom, etc. would not be normal for that period.

hoogenbosch67 · Dec 01, 2018, 01:16:56

Hello Peter, Stan,

Thanks for your input. Attached new photos.

Response to your questions:
The dirty looking part...is that kiln sand - YES
The glaze edge along the bottom. Is there kiln sand? NO
Is the bottom completely flat or slightly lower on the interior? If I put a straight ruler on the bottom the middle is around 2mm lower.
Is the edge brown or gilt? looks more a little yellow ( NO GILT)
the size might be important length 22,5cm - width 17,5cm - height 2cm and weight 413gr

Greetings Jan

hoogenbosch67 · Dec 01, 2018, 01:17:50

extra photos bottom

peterp · Dec 01, 2018, 07:59:10

Thanks for the additional information.
As I thought, the bottom has been scraped.
Kiln sand at the glaze edge is one of the signs of Qianlong manufacturing.
A brown edge was applied to reinforce the glaze at the edge of thin plates. Qianlong may or may not have one, but I doubt such a light color would be right.
The bottom makes it appear as if it was fired either on a support or kiln sand. Not quite usual for the Qing dynasty.
In my view the dark blue pigment used makes it more likely to be Guangxu.
Again the condition of the bottom makes it more likely to be late Qing.